Truth & Transcendence
Truth & Transcendence | Hosted by Catherine Llewellyn | Brought to you by Being Space & Podfather Network
Welcome to Truth & Transcendence. A podcast for seekers, leaders, creatives, and changemakers who are exploring the deeper layers of human experience. Launched in mid-2021, this show was born out of a time of global uncertainty. It began as a space to support conscious leadership in challenging times, a call to strength, wisdom, and integrity.
Since then, the podcast has evolved alongside the world around us. Now, we welcome a rich tapestry of guests: leaders, entrepreneurs, coaches, artists, spiritual guides, alternative practitioners, and everyday people living extraordinary lives. Our focus is no longer on navigating crisis, but on embracing the joy of creation, discovery, and soulful expansion.
Each week brings two episodes:
🔹 Nugget Mondays: Brief, insightful solo reflections.
🔹 Guest Fridays: Open-hearted, unscripted conversations that dive deep.
We don’t do scripts. We follow the energy of the moment.
Episodes
13 hours ago
13 hours ago
8 min
In this episode of Truth and Transcendence, Catherine explores attraction and the law of attraction from her particular point of view. What are we attracting towards us right now? And what would we like to attract?
Rather than approaching attraction as simply thinking positively or believing hard enough that we will get what we want, Catherine invites us to treat it as an experiment: what if everything in our lives is something we have attracted towards us? Not as a reason for blame, but as an opportunity to become more conscious of the energy, vibration and messages we are expressing.
She explores the relationship between what we do and who we are, the importance of embodying the qualities we want to attract, clearing unhelpful conditioning and questioning our beliefs. She also shares a simple practice for noticing what we are attracting in each moment—and why humour and having fun may be some of the most powerful ingredients of all.
#attraction #consciousness #selfawareness
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Where our conversation went:
00:10 – What is attraction, and what attracts what?00:42 – The different levels of attraction.01:35 – What are we attracting towards us?01:53 – A thought experiment: what if everything in our lives has been attracted by us?02:51 – Moving beyond blame and treating the idea as an experiment.03:12 – Seeing ourselves as an energetic beacon or magnet.03:31 – What would we like to attract, and what vibration would support that?03:45 – Embodying what we want to attract.04:21 – Attraction is about being as well as doing.04:44 – Letting go of unhelpful habits, conditioning and beliefs.05:37 – Why attraction cannot be created through the mind alone.06:35 – Checking in with what we are attracting in each moment.07:10 – Attraction as an ongoing, moving feast—and the importance of humour.07:21 – Having fun and interrupting patterns that attract what we don't want.07:57 – A final invitation to have fun and attract what you want.
#podmatch #attraction #consciousness #selfawareness
Where to find Catherine:
https://www.beingspace.world
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4 days ago
4 days ago
41 min
Catherine welcomes spiritual seeker, teacher and author Indra Rinzler to explore consciousness, intuition, surrender and living beyond conditioned stories.
Indra explores “all is divinity” — moving beyond seeing everything through the lens of “me”. They discuss observing thoughts and feelings without having to believe or act on them, and allowing opposing truths to coexist.
Indra shares stories from his spiritual journey, including 20 years in a spiritual community, travelling the world and an experience in New Zealand of deep completeness. He describes learning to make decisions from intuition and explores surrender as releasing control and the need to be in charge.
They also explore his work with Vedic astrology, the Enneagram, astrocartography and the Wheel of Totality, and the story behind Indra’s Net.
The episode closes with Indra’s message to open your heart and see yourself as a vehicle through which something greater can move.
#AllIsDivinity #Spirituality #Consciousness
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Where our conversation went:
00:33 What does “all is divinity” mean?
05:13 Observing thoughts without believing them
05:50 Allowing opposing truths to coexist
09:12 Discovering metaphysical bookstores
12:50 Leaving the spiritual community and travelling
14:01 Experiencing completeness in New Zealand
15:39 Making decisions through intuition
20:41 What surrender means
24:03 How Indra came to his work with readings
26:58 Writing Indra’s Net “through” rather than “from” himself
31:15 Living in the place of not knowing
32:14 A book that invites reflection rather than easy answers
35:45 A message for people following a spiritual calling
37:00 Being a vehicle rather than the source
41:01 Closing thoughts and blessings
#Surrender #Intuition #IndrasNet #podmatch
Where to find Indra Rinzler:
https://truthandtranscendence.com
https://indrarinzler.com
Get Indra’s book, Indra’s Net, and explore his work with Vedic astrology, the Enneagram, astrocartography and the Wheel of Totality.
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Oct 19, 2026
Oct 19, 2026
6 min
In this episode of Truth and Transcendence, Catherine explores “wormholes” as a metaphor for unexpected openings within companies, organisations and other complex systems that can create a much quicker route from A to B.
A wormhole might be a junior person reaching the CEO with an important message, or an unexpected connection providing exactly the knowledge needed to unlock a problem. The key is recognising that possibilities can exist beyond established structures.
Catherine explores how wormholes may reveal themselves through unexpected conversations, connections or emerging groups, and invites us to stay receptive rather than dismissing developments simply because they were unplanned.
It is a playful exploration of organisational change, possibility and emergence – and the idea that the quickest route through a complex system may not be the official one.
#Wormholes #OrganisationalChange #Leadership
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Where our conversation went:
00:01 Welcome to Truth and Transcendence
00:09 What is a wormhole?
01:04 Wormholes in companies, organisations, cultures and countries
01:38 Discovering organisational wormholes through change work
02:10 How you know when you have found a wormhole
02:54 A junior employee reaching the CEO
03:00 Unexpected connections that unlock organisational problems
03:32 What makes an organisational wormhole surprising and unpredictable
03:47 Why analysis alone will not necessarily reveal a wormhole
04:09 Believing that unexpected possibilities can exist
04:54 How entrenched cultures can cause organisations to miss opportunities
05:23 Opening up to wormholes in complex situations
05:40 Recognising the signs that a wormhole may be opening
06:07 Using unexpected connections to create new possibilities
06:10 The invitation to play with the idea
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Oct 16, 2026
Oct 16, 2026
39 min
Catherine Llewellyn welcomes David Collura to explore what it means to risk being original when our spiritual interests and personal path do not fit easily with other people's expectations.
David has taught spirituality, energy and non ordinary states of awareness for more than 15 years. He previously taught with the International Academy of Consciousness and now works with Mosaic Wellness and Education, a nonprofit he co founded with his wife Ashley and three colleagues. He is also the author of Multidimensional Lens: Practical Ideas for Spiritual Co Creation.
They explore authenticity, the risk of not being understood, practical energy work and energetic hygiene, and developing a more creative dialogue with life. David's message: do not discount any part of yourself or your experience. Bring all of yourself into the journey.
#Originality #Spirituality #EnergyWork
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Where our conversation went:
01:48 Risking being original
04:48 What we risk on an unconventional path
06:39 The need to be seen and understood
09:12 How spirituality helped David know himself
11:23 Finding courage to follow your path
13:00 Experiential spiritual practices
16:20 Energy work and our energetic ecosystem
19:20 How spiritual practice changes life
21:09 A more expansive relationship with life
22:45 Agency and creativity
28:14 Energetic hygiene
30:15 David's nightly energy practice
32:23 Mosaic Wellness and Education
35:21 David's message to people following their path
37:47 David's favourite part of the conversation
#podmatch #Spirituality #EnergyWork #SelfDiscovery
Where to find David Collura:
https://energyaudiobook.com
Mosaic Wellness and Education YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@MosaicWellnessAndEducation
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Oct 12, 2026
Oct 12, 2026
21 min
Catherine Llewellyn shares lessons she learned from a long and successful career as an executive coach working at Board level in large corporates.
Her work brought together consciousness, self awareness, presence, energy and spirituality, alongside organisational change and business performance.
She explains how introductions opened the door to corporate clients, why finding out what people actually want is more effective than trying to persuade them to buy what you are offering, and how to use skill, authenticity and courage to build trust.
The episode offers practical reflections for anyone working with, or wanting to work with, corporate clients. It explores introductions, authentic contracting, balanced cooperation and the importance of consciously reviewing what is happening within the client relationship
#CorporateClients #ExecutiveCoaching #Consulting
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Where our conversation went:
00:55 How Catherine came to work with senior corporate clients
01:41 The three things that enabled Catherine to enter and succeed in the corporate world
01:59 Why introductions can open doors to corporate clients
03:18 The potential downside when sales and delivery are disconnected
05:13 Finding out what clients actually want rather than persuading them to buy
06:38 Why manipulation does not work and authenticity does
08:15 The importance of meaningful work and positive experiences for senior executives
09:44 Developing an offering that genuinely helps clients achieve what they want
10:48 Trust, skill and courageous communication
11:49 Leaving the organisation and setting up independently
12:18 The research question that led Catherine to interview senior executives
13:14 Interviewing 39 people across around 30 organisations
14:30 What the research revealed about consultant client relationships
14:49 The unconscious parent child dynamic between consultant and client
16:24 Why unconscious role patterns can create problems
17:57 Subpersonalities and the different wants and needs people bring to a working relationship
19:27 Three practical considerations for anyone working with corporate clients
20:05 Creating mutual, balanced cooperation
20:12 Building review and reassessment into the contract
20:30 Recognising unconscious dynamics and unspoken needs
#podmatch #CorporateConsulting #ExecutiveCoaching #Authenticity
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Oct 9, 2026
Oct 9, 2026
41 min
Catherine Llewellyn welcomes Stephan Kerby, who goes by Kerby, to explore curiosity, openness and how these qualities can change the way we experience ourselves and the world.
Kerby's own journey through depression, anxiety and a search for fulfilment led him into exploring consciousness, healing and identity. Today he works with people around transformation while continuing to question who we are beneath the stories we tell ourselves.
Kerby shares how curiosity has guided him throughout his life, including a childhood insight about watching the world like a movie and having some choice about how we respond. They explore how becoming curious about our thoughts, beliefs and programming can create space for different responses and new patterns.
The conversation also explores psychedelics as a tool rather than an identity, the danger of putting ourselves and others into boxes, and the possibility of continually evolving rather than deciding that we have everything figured out.
#Curiosity #Openness #HumanTransformation
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Where our conversation went:
01:39 Kerby's lifelong relationship with curiosity
02:51 A childhood insight about watching the world like a movie
04:01 Creating space between what happens and our automatic reactions
05:39 Psychedelics as a tool and the psychology of transformation
07:19 Curiosity as a way of staying open rather than trying to be right
08:23 Questioning our beliefs and remaining open to change
10:14 A bird's nest and noticing the extraordinary things happening around us
13:02 Curiosity about humans, nature, the universe and the beauty surrounding us
15:31 Asking whether our beliefs are actually helping us in this moment
17:52 Mortality, limited time and asking how we want to spend our lives
19:14 The problem with putting people into boxes based on their roles
22:31 Identity and the danger of replacing one identity with another
24:35 Allowing our work and understanding to evolve over time
25:49 Radical transformation and the possibility that anybody can change
26:25 Seeing friends and family with fresh eyes
28:03 Kerby's first psychedelic experience and the beginning of a new journey
31:54 Identity and the first stage of awakening
32:11 Metacognition and learning to notice our thoughts
32:55 Creating space between a thought and our response
33:38 Choosing whether to repeat old patterns or create a new future
35:15 Noticing physical reactions without automatically acting on them
36:49 Kerby's message of hope for anyone who feels stuck
37:18 Free will, automatic patterns and giving ourselves grace
38:15 Moving beyond the expectation that we should be happy all the time
38:44 If you don't feel you are living the life you want, there is hope
38:55 Asking how we want to spend the finite time we have
39:13 Choosing the version of ourselves that brings greater contentment and peace
#podmatch #Curiosity #SelfAwareness #HumanTransformation
Where to find Stephan Kerby:
https://mindscapeinstitute.org
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Oct 5, 2026
Oct 5, 2026
7 min
Catherine Llewellyn reflects on conversations she has recently been having with people from her past and what these conversations have shown her about the different ways people choose to live their lives.
Some people have found a life that suits them and are enjoying retirement, travel and family. Others are continuing to create, collaborate, work, learn and develop. Some are somewhere in between. Catherine explores what it means to find your place, including recognising when the life you are living is not the life you actually want.
She considers the different relationships people have with work and retirement, and the importance of not living according to what we think we ought to be doing. Whether we are settled and content or uncertain about what comes next, Catherine suggests that wherever we find ourselves has value and can be the place from which the next part of our lives emerges.
#FindingYourPlace #LifeChoices #TruthAndTranscendence
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Where our conversation went:
00:14 Catching up with people from the past and discovering how differently their lives have evolved
00:57 What it means to be living the life you want
01:06 Different versions of a fulfilling life, from retirement and travel to continuing to create and develop
02:09 Finding your place, even when that place is shifting
02:47 When you know the life you want but are living something different
03:03 Recognising when you are trying to do what you think you ought to want
03:19 When you're unhappy but don't yet know why
03:28 Not knowing what to let go of or what to begin
03:38 The value of every different place we find ourselves in
03:54 Catherine's own periods of being on holiday and taking a sabbatical
04:31 Finding a mixture of creating, continuing and being on holiday
04:46 Different attitudes towards retirement and continuing to work throughout life
05:25 Finding your place and appreciating it rather than trying to meet other people's expectations
05:48 The value of acknowledging when you're not yet in a comfortable place
06:03 Uncertainty and fear as a place full of possibility
06:09 Wherever you are has value and is part of the tapestry of human life
06:25 How each state or place we experience can allow the next thing to happen
06:35 An invitation to recognise the value of wherever you are right now
#podmatch #LifeTransitions #PersonalGrowth #FindingYourWay
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Oct 2, 2026
Oct 2, 2026
49 min
Catherine Llewellyn welcomes David Deighton, creator of Triptych Dialogue, an art experiment exploring how we can bridge societal divides by changing the way we talk to one another. David's work brings people together in person, often around difficult subjects such as politics, using art, active listening and the senses to create deeper connection.
David shares how his understanding of impermanence developed through years of meditation and study, including time spent at a monastery in India with a Burmese monk. He describes his practice of using rocks as reminders of impermanence, suffering and connection, and how these ideas became part of his artistic work.
They explore the origins of Triptych Dialogue, including an encounter with a medieval triptych at the Victoria and Albert Museum. David explains how the missing parts of the artwork prompted him to think about what is absent from our conversations, and how this led him to begin speaking with strangers about politics.
David describes his approach to these encounters, asking three questions, listening without debating and looking for the emotional common ground beneath political differences. He explains how these short conversations can transform both participants, and how his own anger and sense of division have changed through the practice.
#Impermanence #Connection #ActiveListening
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Where our conversation went:
02:00 David's relationship with impermanence and why it keeps returning as a reminder
04:25 The rock that became a daily reminder of impermanence, suffering and connection
07:05 How the rock represents change, transformation and the interconnectedness of everything
09:30 Walking meditation, carrying rocks and the practice of letting them go
10:45 Impermanence as a metaphor for existence, renewal and our relationships
11:37 David's years of study and his journey to a monastery in India
13:40 Theravada Buddhism, meditation and learning through presence and all the senses
15:30 Bringing this sensory awareness into David's artwork
16:17 Exploring how to create deeper connection with a stranger in less than five minutes
16:29 Talking to strangers about politics and the origins of Triptych Dialogue
20:43 The medieval triptych at the Victoria and Albert Museum that inspired the project
21:27 What is missing from the artwork, and what is missing from our conversations
22:55 Three questions as the three panels of the triptych
23:32 Responding to societal division and turning from political expression towards face to face exchange
25:23 Using all the senses to experience another person's words and perspective
26:05 Finding commonality with people whose values and political views may seem completely opposed
27:05 Discovering emotional connection beneath political disagreement
28:25 How natural environments create space for openness, curiosity and connection
29:04 Moments of genuine human connection in an age of digital division
30:56 How these encounters have changed David
31:50 The three questions and the importance of listening without debating
33:00 Exploring people's feelings about the current state of US politics
33:22 The third question, finishing the sentence about politics in the United States
34:35 Finding a single word that captures what someone has expressed
35:03 What happens after the microphone is turned off
35:41 How people's feelings can change during the course of a single day
36:19 Active listening, presence and David's daily grounding practice
37:42 The project as an ongoing exploration of connection and transformation
38:56 Ceramic vessels, impermanence and preserving questions for the future
40:20 David's new website and continuing to share the project
40:57 Conversations in natural places and learning from others
42:12 Connecting through all the senses and moments of silence with strangers
43:15 Following the project online and hearing the conversations for yourself
44:52 Human connection as a form of political action
46:02 David's message to people following their own calling: keep going, everything is impermanent
46:53 Dropping the phone and talking to a stranger
47:35 The value of vulnerability, connection and allowing ourselves to be transformed
48:14 Rethinking the advice to not talk to strangers
#podmatch #Impermanence #ActiveListening #HumanConnection
Where to find David Deighton:
https://triptychdialogue.com
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Sep 28, 2026
Sep 28, 2026
8 min
Following on from the theme of letting go, Catherine Llewellyn explores what can happen when we stop trying to change our feelings and instead surrender to what we are actually experiencing.
Catherine shares a personal experience from a relationship in which sexual chemistry had changed. Rather than continuing to try to restore the feelings they thought they should have, they asked a simple question about what each of them wanted right now. The resulting clarity and willingness to feel what was actually present transformed the situation.
From there, Catherine explores how the same principle can apply in our other relationships and choices. When we stop trying to control our feelings, we create space for clarity, reflection and natural change. Sometimes the most useful thing we can do is tell the truth about what we feel in this moment and allow that feeling to be what it is.
#LettingGo #EmotionalAwareness #TruthAndTranscendence
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Where our conversation went:
00:06 Continuing the theme of letting go through emotions and states of being
00:18 A relationship in which sexual chemistry unexpectedly changed
01:21 Trying to change feelings rather than surrendering to what was actually happening
01:41 Asking a simple question that changed the dynamic
02:25 The liberation that came from accepting the truth of the present moment
02:50 Why we aren't designed to feel the same way all the time
03:33 The trap of trying to change feelings we don't like
03:47 Fully surrendering to feelings of rejection, disappointment and confusion
04:12 How surrender broke the loop and allowed the relationship to change naturally
04:36 Applying the same principle to other kinds of relationships
04:43 Using present moment clarity when considering whether to work with someone
05:27 How clarity can free up energy for reflection and allow a choice to emerge
05:45 Moving out of limbo by acknowledging what is true right now
06:03 Returning to the relationship with clarity and simply going for a walk
06:27 Letting go into the feelings we are actually having
06:49 Why feelings naturally change when we stop trying to control them
07:03 Making space for different philosophical perspectives
07:31 An invitation to surrender more deeply into what you're actually feeling
07:42 Telling the truth to yourself and, where appropriate, to others
#podmatch #EmotionalFreedom #SelfAwareness #ConsciousRelationships
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Sep 25, 2026
Sep 25, 2026
43 min
Catherine Llewellyn welcomes Nico Verresen, former Muay Thai champion, psychologist and founder of Burnout Boxing Experience. Nico explores his lifelong relationship with intensity and how a passion that took him to the top of combat sports eventually led him to a very different mission: helping people embrace intensity rather than automatically seeing stress as something harmful.
After years of fighting, Nico's body finally forced him to stop when severe eye injuries ended his competitive career. The experience helped him recognise that intensity itself wasn't the problem—it was how we related to it. He now works with people to understand their nervous systems, embrace challenging experiences and develop the presence to choose how they respond.
They explore stress as an adaptive system, the difference between stress and suffering, why our beliefs about stress can influence how we experience it, and how challenge can become the “spice” that makes life more alive. Nico also shares how his relationship with intimacy and intensity has evolved, and why emotions such as stress, anger and anxiety can be understood as messages rather than problems to suppress.
#Intensity #NervousSystem #TruthAndTranscendence
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Where our conversation went:
01:18 Nico's lifelong attraction to intensity and where it began
04:00 Discovering Muay Thai and becoming deeply immersed in combat sports
05:54 The medical diagnosis that ended Nico's fighting career
07:47 Recognising the parallels between his father's work ethic and his own drive
08:47 Why suffering your way to the top is a losing game
09:09 Nico's new mission: helping people embrace intensity and stress as part of adaptation
09:48 Learning to notice bodily sensations, thoughts, emotions and impulses—and choose how to respond
11:18 Why many people may need to “turn up the volume” rather than reduce intensity
12:00 Why humans are built to handle intense challenges
14:09 What happens in the body when we experience stress
15:13 How secondary stress—our thoughts and judgements about stress—can make things worse
17:20 How extreme pressure can create intense presence and focus
19:25 Reframing fear and stress as excitement and preparation
20:04 Why our beliefs about stress can affect how we experience it
20:46 Research exploring how different beliefs about stress affect performance and physiology
24:07 The difference between wanted and unwanted intensity—and why people can fear intensity
25:09 Why getting older doesn't necessarily mean having less intensity in life
26:01 How embracing intensity can improve sleep, performance and enjoyment
27:17 The transformative power of challenge and rites of passage
29:19 What we may have lost by becoming disconnected from healthy forms of challenge and intensity
30:22 Experiencing intense presence without danger or suffering
32:05 Finding intensity after giving up competitive fighting
32:31 How heartbreak, relationships and fear of intimacy shaped Nico's relationship with intensity
33:50 Realising that his deepest way of relating is to go fully and deeply into what he loves
34:00 Reassessing his work and finding new sources of intensity
40:54 Learning to experience emotions as messages rather than problems
41:25 Recognising sensitivity and emotional intensity as a potential strength
41:47 Stress, anger and anxiety as signals from the nervous system—and learning to listen
#podmatch #StressMastery #Aliveness #PersonalTransformation
Where to find Nico Verresen:https://burnoutboxingexperience.com
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